fraser
3:59 Sun Nov 5
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I didn't actually see the Brighton game live, I was looking at the stats thinking wtf, how lucky must we be. I watched the whole game replay and thought we thoroughly deserved it...
Yes Areola pulled off some wordlues towards the end but I thought we were worth it unlike the Chelsea game..
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nychammer
3:54 Sun Nov 5
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Moyes and his footballing approach will always be "Just Enough" to keep a team like us in the PL. That's ok if we're Burnley but to be "Just Enough" that with the squad at our disposal and what we've spent on it is unforgiveable.
How long before anyone decent (Paqueta, Kudus) throw wobblers and want out (like so many others have in the past) - then it's back to square one.
Sullivan must be looking at this and thinking the same. Shirley.
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Manuel
3:52 Sun Nov 5
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fraser - Fair enough, I saw the Brighton game as a smash and grab (and I think the same would have happened again the same yesterday without the open goal miss) and Chelsea we got lucky with their penalty miss. Like I say, I think the reason for most being excited was, apart from beating two good sides, history shows that if you start a season well it usually breeds confidence moving forward and you can have a good season, and I think that was the hope. I don't think it was a case of most thinking we could win that way every week, of course that can't be sustained. Yes, we have fell off a cliff now, but it's not because we have continued with the low possession stats and run out of luck, it's for a variety of different reasons, as I'm sure you know.
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wd40
3:50 Sun Nov 5
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Hands up I'll take it on the chin my mate cup winner Moyes didn't do well yesterday .
Come on cup winner Dave turn it around .
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fraser
3:40 Sun Nov 5
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Fraser, I really couldn’t give a shit. You just appear to be telling everyone how great you are and I was just pointing out that we all make mistakes and misjudgements and it’s all about opinions
I know you did and I accepted it and admitted it, and said you were guilty of it too.
You didn't hold your hands up on it and followed up with two rants about it including the above "I don't give a shit"
If you don't give a shit why keep on about it after I admitred I was wrong, you scored your point, move on son.
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Pagey
3:36 Sun Nov 5
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Moyes didn’t buy Haller, you’re right. But he still wasn’t ultimately good enough for us to displace Antonio on a regular basis.
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fraser
3:35 Sun Nov 5
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Manuel - You're missing the point I wasn't crowing about being right I was objecting to being called irrational and Moyes fundamentalist hater because it was obvious to me by someone who was saying the same only three games later but still insists there was no basis for me saying that even though it's unfortunately happened.. I would have loved to have been wrong . But it will keep happening, he may win a couple of games.. But it won't ever last.
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Pagey
3:35 Sun Nov 5
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Fraser, I really couldn’t give a shit. You just appear to be telling everyone how great you are and I was just pointing out that we all make mistakes and misjudgements and it’s all about opinions. You’re the one on here today pulling people up on stuff, I just added that you get things wrong too, as do I.
This place is just all about point scoring and ‘I told you so’s’ these days. It’s proper dull and boring.
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Manuel
3:29 Sun Nov 5
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Not a fan or football person anywhere would suggest that having around 25% possession in a game and to keep winning every week is sustainable, so if you choose to state the obvious, just to suit your agenda, and then crow about being ''right'' well it's a bit fucking daft. It was always a moot point anyway as possession stats are always going to change based on oppo and venue, etc.
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Side of Ham
3:28 Sun Nov 5
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Did Moyes buy Haller?
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fraser
3:26 Sun Nov 5
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Pagey which part of me admitting I was wrong about that didn't you understand..
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fraser
3:25 Sun Nov 5
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Forward seeing genius wtf.. When we've been in shit league form for nearly 2 years... and we then get some results while still not playing very well you'd have to be a fucking simpleton to think it would last..
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Pagey
3:23 Sun Nov 5
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I probably said that Moyes was right not to sign just anyone just for the sake of it (common sense) and it worked out with three seasons in Europe on the spin, including a trophy, and Antonio playing a huge part in that.
Ironically Bowen scored the winning goal in the final, but he wouldn’t have been there if you’d been in charge.
Moyes actually bought two strikers to play ahead of Antonio - in Haller and Scamacca - and, like it or not, neither were consistently good enough to start for us ahead of Antonio.
Great points though.
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threesixty
3:23 Sun Nov 5
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I feel like the issue is the players like Moyes. I mean what manager is going to still play Ings for the last 15 minutes when he hasn't score a goal in like 25 games and is on 110 bags a week? Thats a great job to have. Thats a great work place to be in. Even if you play shit you get to keep the shirt every week.
They love the guy.
Thats probably the biggest problem here. So despite the terrible coaching and bad tactics, lack of youth etc.. They will dig him out of a whole by beating the shit teams and the odd top team if they're lucky. And as long as they do that they keep their jobs and their team places with this guy and his massive ego.
As a manager of a group of people he is obviously very good and experienced. As a coach, no, he's pretty bad for modern standards. I think you need both in modern football, but I think the football comes first. You can get someone to coach the football side but he's got such an ego he doesnt want to listen to anyone (Warburton said as much and why he left, and they were mates!).
Even with our Euro win, let's face it. We played shit teams the whole way through and probably faced a team that would be mid table in our league in the final. The same thing happened in the Europa the season before. Shit teams and then the minute we faced a good side we got done. Lyon were the only other team of note we faced and they had a really off day for them.
Moyes is mid. Over 2yrs of fixtures says so. We cant renew his contract. It would be mental.
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Willtell
3:16 Sun Nov 5
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Talkshite Miike
Keep going and get this thread shut down again….
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Willtell
3:14 Sun Nov 5
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fraser
Stop trying to make out you were a forward seeing Genius because you’re not. Moyes was getting good results up to 5 or 6 weeks ago. The nonsense about it being unsustainable was only your excuses for a supposedly ‘shit’ manager winning games.
I have always wanted a better manager than Moyes. My position is rightly that when Moyesball works it shouldn’t be WH fans calling for the sack for the most successful and achieving manager in memory.
It’s got nothing to do with what’s happening now as I forecast that Moyes would most likely fuck up his chance of getting his contract renewed.
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fraser
3:11 Sun Nov 5
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Yeah I was before he was scoring regularly and was making wrong decisions, I was wrong what's your point.
For balance Pagey said Moyes was right not to buy a striker to be first choice ahead of Antonio, how did that work out SON :-)
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Takashi Miike
3:11 Sun Nov 5
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Willgrass still arguing, rancid old cunt
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Pagey
3:06 Sun Nov 5
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Just for balance, fraser was up for selling Bowen for around £30m a couple of seasons ago.
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fraser
2:48 Sun Nov 5
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Oh and it has everything to do with it being unsustainable, if you think that you can keep winning games with less possession and shots on goal than the opposition.. That's why I had no optimism.. Because it is fucking unsustainable.. Like you said yesterday.. We can't expect to keep scoring from so few chances.. Especially when you allow the opposition so many. As I said fuck all with being a football genius, you'd have to be as thick as shit not to see it.
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fraser
2:39 Sun Nov 5
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Manuel - it wasn't just me was it.. That's what I'm saying..
I was buzzing after the Chelsea win, I also said I didn't enjoy the game.. I was getting called a fundamentalist Moyes hater because I could see past the results.. Said it wouldn't last.. It didn't.. I'm still getting called it because of it.
Why don't you wind your neck in and stick to your own advice, as you're always quick to tell others don't police the forum and Willtell doesn't need you tag teaming with him.. Always the first to cry when others do it to you eh son, even though you love a pile on yourself, not to mention a bit of policing the forum.. :-)
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